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4 months wasted with a "business co-founder" who refused to sell anything

r/indiehackers
8/15/2025

Content Summary

The post is about a technical founder who wasted four months working with a 'business co-founder' who refused to focus on sales or generating revenue. The co-founder had an academic background, used mission-driven language, and lacked financial pressure, which led to inaction and no product-market fit. The author learned valuable lessons about co-founder red flags and is now going solo while building tools to help other founders avoid similar pitfalls. The discussion includes comments from others who have had similar negative experiences with co-founders and shares insights on how to identify and avoid toxic partnerships.

Opinion Analysis

Mainstream opinion suggests that many co-founders are not truly committed to building a business, especially those with academic backgrounds who prioritize mission-driven goals over revenue generation. There is a strong consensus that financial pressure and urgency are essential for successful startups, and that people who cannot handle rejection or responsibility should not be considered as co-founders. Some conflicting opinions arise around whether B2C or B2B sales are more sustainable, and whether focusing on side projects or jobs first is better for entrepreneurial success. Overall, the discussion emphasizes the importance of accountability, practical execution, and avoiding 'research-like' approaches in startups.

SAAS TOOLS

SaaSURLCategoryFeatures/Notes
Locally.comhttp://locally.comLocal Business VisibilityHelps retailers increase online visibility and improves shopping experience for customers by enabling faster delivery than Amazon
Beehiiv.comhttp://beehiiv.comEmail MarketingA platform for creators to build and grow their audience, but had issues with access restrictions like being blocked via VPN

USER NEEDS

Pain Points:

  • Lack of sales focus from a business co-founder
  • Misalignment between mission-driven language and actual revenue generation
  • Difficulty in identifying genuine co-founders with real skin in the game
  • Product-market fit challenges due to insufficient customer discovery
  • Fear of rejection in sales and lack of accountability

Problems to Solve:

  • How to find reliable co-founders who can generate revenue
  • How to validate product-market fit early in the development process
  • How to handle the emotional and psychological toll of working with toxic co-founders
  • How to avoid wasting time on ineffective market research and unproductive activities

Potential Solutions:

  • Implementing strict tests for co-founders, such as requiring them to sell before building anything
  • Focusing on direct customer engagement and feedback to validate product ideas
  • Building tools or platforms that help identify red flags in potential co-founders
  • Prioritizing sales and revenue generation over theoretical planning and endless research

GROWTH FACTORS

Effective Strategies:

  • Testing co-founders by making them sell before committing to any project
  • Emphasizing urgency and accountability in business roles
  • Focusing on real-world customer validation and feedback
  • Building tools that help solve specific pain points identified through personal experience

Marketing & Acquisition:

  • Leveraging personal experiences and stories to build trust and credibility
  • Sharing insights and lessons learned to attract like-minded entrepreneurs
  • Using community forums (like Reddit) to spread awareness and gather feedback

Monetization & Product:

  • Highlighting the importance of product-market fit and validating it early
  • Emphasizing the need for co-founders who can bring in revenue
  • Recognizing that even well-intentioned founders without a commercial track record may not be suitable for a startup environment

User Engagement:

  • Creating a sense of community among indie hackers and solo founders
  • Encouraging open discussions about co-founder dynamics and challenges
  • Sharing personal stories to foster empathy and learning among peers